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BT bringing in ADSL2+, boosting broadband speeds

03 Jun 2009 | 20.49 Europe/London
BT Broadband has announced plans to upgrade the connection speeds of its existing customers - as long as they sign up for another twelve months. The firm's using ADSL2+ technology that should enable it to more than double the (potential) speed of its network without digging up any roads.

"Within weeks" existing BT customers - even those using its cheapest Option 1 service - will be able to contact the telecommunications giant and request an upgrade to up to 20Mbit/s; the current fastest speed it offers is a potential 8Mbit/s. "There really are no catches," a BT spokesman said. "All we ask is that you sign up to a new contract, which doesn't seem a big ask." However, if not exactly a catch, there is at least one caveat: initially only forty per cent of its customer base will be able to enjoy the faster speeds; by March 2010 that number will have risen to fifty-five per cent.

Despite connection speeds are going up, the current download limits are remaining in place. While some commentators are getting excited that DVD quality films could now take less than hour to download instead of the usual three, it's worth pointing out that customers on the cheapest package certainly won't be able to get their hands on that many movies each month and could find their 10GB allowance maxed out in record time. On top of that, BT's current "traffic-shaping" policies aren't changing either: sorry Mr. Beeb, iPlayer will keep being "throttled" just as much as it is now.

Because BT Broadband's network upgrades will take place at exchanges (area-wide Internet hubs), they won't be laying any new cables. That means its broadband customers won't escape the traditional problem of their Internet speed degrading the further away they are from the exchange due to the inbuilt resistivity of copper wire. So while customers may not see disruption to their service because of the upgrades, many in the affected areas will never see speeds approaching 20Mbit/s. (BT had originally hoped for up to 24Mbit/S connectivity but "only a tiny number of customers" experienced that during testing.)

Still, surely BT's existing 4.8 million customers have reason to be excited about the news? "High-speed broadband provides a faster and more reliable service that will transform the way we live, work, learn and play," says BT CEO Gavin Patterson. "We are already the UK's largest retailer of broadband and today's announcement shows that we offer terrific value for money. Unlike other providers, BT is upgrading customers to 20Mbit/s for free," he adds. But of course, while the move will effectively undercut rival services such as Virgin Media in terms of the price in the short term, it's difficult to gauge whether it'll still be good value in twelve months.

While keeping the copper lines may make it seem like a poor man's "super fast" broadband, BT Broadband's decision to roll it out ADSL2+ to exchanges far and wide should raise the bar for connection speeds where broadband is already available. And it's not resting on its laurels: it's going to start trialling fibre optic cable to test 40Mbit/s speeds this summer in isolated parts of London and South Glamorgan.

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broadbandy says:
This upgrades the 'technical line quality' (the mechanism used to transmit the signal to your house) ie. 20MB/s from 8MB/s. A look at plus.net Option 1 Maximum Download Speeds see here: http://www.plus.net/support/broadband/quality_broadband/speed.shtml#valuespeeds Shows that this 'upgrade' make absolutely no different actual download speeds which are limited to a maximum 2Mbps and generally a lot lower. [Moderator: It should be pointed out that plus.net option 1 is a highly traffic managed low price entry level product. The table linked does say "line speed" for downloads from midnight to noon] Also if you live on 3km from the exchange there is absolutely no difference between ADSL and ADSL2/ADSL2+, in terms 'technical line quality' so even without BT's data throtteling there would be no improvement for most customers. [Moderator: It is factually incorrect to say that ADSL2/2+ make no difference beyond 3km. 400 kbits/s extra at 75 dB attenuation is one real world example.]
04 Jun 2009 | 15.05 Europe/London
chrisdoyle says:
so in other words, peeps sat on exchanges may get a bit faster, peeps further away won't be any better off, and everyone will still be throttled at peak times or capped if they dare download a couple of films. Why don't they tell it like it is instead of promoting it the way they do, its a pack of rubbish, squeezing still more out of the poor legacy copper network instead of doing the job properly. and some poor suckers will think they are gonna get 20 meg. as if.
04 Jun 2009 | 19.40 Europe/London
Phil says:
When the moaning behatches of the fibre lobby have a viable costed proposition and a rational argument beyond propaganda we'll happily cover it to the full. Meantime we'll cover real services that are available now and work for the majority. ADSL2 and 2+ extends reach marginally and adds a few hundred kbits/s to the longer lines, so "won't be any better off" is just campaigning rhetoric and factually incorrect. There are a significant number of customers on ADSL2+ with 20M or higher in the UK. Certainly many more than have fibre connections.
05 Jun 2009 | 08.59 Europe/London
broadbandy says:
To the Moderator: In my defence, we do seem to be splitting hairs here. Overall Speed restrictions / traffic shaping apply to both plus.net option1 and plus.net 'unlimited', the latter, an account which costs 15.99 a month (11.99 first three months) I'd assume these two accounts form the vast majority of plus.net's customer base. Though not stated on BT's on page, other than restricting video streams to 896Kbps during peak hours(plusnet states 756Kbps), I'd asume these restrictions also are applied in some way to BT's Broadband Option1, Option2. On plus.net option1,option2 speed restrictions do restrict ALL traffic to below 2Mbps between midday until midnight - surely this is the majority of internet users. Peer to Peer is limited to 0.5Mbps during this time period. [Moderator: The above is not a true reflection of the data on the linked page. Specifically the page says "Internet applications not listed below, such as web surfing or video streaming have no specific restrictions at any time and are prioritised on our network at all times." It is a falsehood to state that all traffic is restricted to 2M. Listed applications / protocols are managed and the expected speeds are tabulated.] Thats quite a drop from so called 'upto 20Mbps', or 'upto 8Mbps' During peak times the restrictions are even greater. The 'average' user is not going to see any advantage by signing up to this for normal daily use - it basically just ties people into a additional 12 month contact with little benefit. One example of a real world 0.4Mbps increase in download speed doesn't cover the vast majority that won't see a difference beyond 3km (maybe I should have stated 3.5km here) - but the difference between ADSL and ADSL2 beyond this 3.5km is a nats whisker. The average user (majority of) again is not going to notice the difference, once you take into account contention, bottlenecks, internal wiring, interference etc. @Phil, how many of the 'significant number of customers on ADSL2 with 20Mbps or higher are actually 'traffic shaped' to speeds below 2Mbps by BT/plus.net
05 Jun 2009 | 14.47 Europe/London
chrisdoyle says:
pls read this article by someone who unlike me (an amateur) really knows what he is talking about, and then come back and tell me the copper is ok, it isn't. It was ok for the start of our journey into the ether, but it is now obsolete. http://www.cochrane.org.uk/opinion/articles/silicon/2006/07-09-2006.php
05 Jun 2009 | 15.02 Europe/London
Phil says:
Cochrane is just another lobbyist / propagandist. If he was any good he would be doing it, rather than telling others they suck for not doing it. Matson is another. Come on, fibreheads, where's your fully costed business plan ? or are you the only people in the UK that think the Government could fix it and deliver something ?
05 Jun 2009 | 15.08 Europe/London
Phil says:
@broadbandy - clearly only the people that elect to be on plusnet's cheapest traffic managed tariffs are going to be managed. It isn't a feature of the technology just of those packages. Caveat Emptor. "Also if you live on 3km from the exchange there is absolutely no difference between ADSL and ADSL2/ADSL2+, in terms ‘technical line quality’" is, sadly, a lie. The difference at 8km could be 100%.
05 Jun 2009 | 15.13 Europe/London
broadbandy says:
@Phil - this isn't about being on plusnet's cheapest tariff. This is about being on the majority of tariffs offered by BT (the subject of the article) to the majority of their customers, which are traffic shaped to 2Mbps at the majority of times, where most users make use of the internet, so an upgrade to 'upto 20Mbps' is irrelevant. Phil your missing the point - the article talks about the advantage of 20Mbps ADSL2 in comparison to 8Mbps - at 8km "upto 20Mbps","up to 8Mbps" are both irrevelvant - there isn't a hope in hell of acheiving this. The signal your talking about is in the 'ball park' of 1-1.5Mbps (100% of 0 = 0)
05 Jun 2009 | 16.49 Europe/London
chrisdoyle says:
@phil AKA copperhead, fibre is cheaper than copper. BT have the ducts already, no digging needed. The country has thousands of tradesmen and workers unemployed, they could do the work instead of getting paid for doing nothing. It wouldn't cost that much to upgrade the whole country, if other countries can do it without all our ducting and sewers then so can we. The money could come from the savings in mp expenses, bt profits, cancel the identity card fiasco that nobody voted for and presto, it is achievable. It will take govt intervention to make it happen. So it is copperheads v fibreheads. Govt only hears the copperhead side of the story, that is why anyone with a knowledge of physics shouts out about fibre. Anyone with a vision of the future shouts about fibre. People without connections have found out that fibre can get them one, so I shout about fibre too. The current infrastructure served us well as a phone system, probably one of the best in the world. To continue to use it for internet access will make us a laughing stock. It can't hack it. You can't turn back time. I know the phenomenal amount of work you have put in helping people get connections but it wouldn't be necessary if we all had fibre. Fibre just works. It can supply 2meg or 2 gig. whatever the customer wants and can afford.
06 Jun 2009 | 06.42 Europe/London
chrisdoyle says:
Fibre backbones run the length and breadth of the country already. It is a reasonable assumption that running fibre to the home from these backbones through existing ducting is not beyond the scope of people today. If the victorians had this chance they would take it! That is what we need now, some victorian thinkers! The Victorians built our Telephone system, did they stop and think if it would ever be economical? Nope, they JFDI.
06 Jun 2009 | 06.45 Europe/London
Phil says:
There aren't any ducts into houses in my village that anyone could push FTTH through, nor in many others. BT's ducts (the one's that aren't full or blocked) will get you to a manhole or a street cab, but no further. I think you'll find the Victorians that built our infrastructure did it precisely because it was profitable to them at the time. They weren't known as "Railway Barons" etc for nowt. Will we ever see as coherent proposal for fibre from you campaigning types, or just endless slogans ?
06 Jun 2009 | 09.54 Europe/London
Phil says:
@Andy - if it isn't about Plusnet's cheapest tariffs why did you start there ? Anyone wanting full line speed 24/7 can go on Plusnet Pro for £20/month. A 20M upgrade may be of no interest to someone who only does file downloads and only at peak times - that's their issue. Don't diss it for the rest that can and will take advantage of it. Same with ADSL2/2+ - it does make a difference to line speeds on many lines, however long, so it can only be a useful tool to have in the box. It's not even a firmware upgrade to provide it.
06 Jun 2009 | 10.04 Europe/London
RobH says:
Has anyone compiled RFS dates for BT ADSL2+ or is there a list of the 40%/50% exchanges anywhere? Would like to find out when mine (Malvern) will be enabled?
06 Jun 2009 | 10.05 Europe/London
Phil says:
http://www.samknows.com/broadband/btwbc-league.php is probably what you want, but Malvern isn't on it. http://usertools.plus.net/exchanges/ is also worth a look, it has a different opinion. The number checker at http://www.btwholesale.com/includes/adsl/main.html gives ADSL2+ speeds where the service is already available.
06 Jun 2009 | 10.30 Europe/London
broadbandy says:
@RobH, (and to anyone looking into ADSL2+) Being on a rural exchange, there is more of a chance your some distance from your exchance. First look at your ISP - are you traffic shaped? What sort of data are you mostly accessing? Web,video streams, http downloads, ftp, peer to peer etc as various ISP (inc BT on its most popular tariffs) place 'traffic shaping' on certain type of data to levels way below 2Mbps normally at peak times of the day - it might not efffect web traffic but most other common data types. Traffic is also prioritised on top of this - where the overall capacity is reached - throttling is used on all types of data to manage overall demand - normally targeted at heavy users first - this might happen if you have used more than your 'acceptable' daily quota. What is your contention ratio (how the connection infrastructure is shared with others (upto 49 others) 50:1 or 20:1 If all 49 others are downloading at the same time - it will severely affect your connection. with 20:1 there are only 19 others so your chances are better. How far do you live from your exchange. ADSL2+ technology, 20Mbps is very limited to areas close to the exchange - and it falls off quickly to data levels 'similar' to 8Mbps after a set distance. I say similar, by this I mean if you expect 20Mbps (not many will get this speed)- don't be too optimistic- you might see slight advantages/disadvantages but they are nothing to write home about unless the exchange is visible from your house. It depends on lots of factors, quality of line, internal wiring in house, even your router (needs to be ADSL2 compatible), or if you are wirelessly accessing your router. This is a technology which sound great on paper, but in reality its seems more a means to squeeze out a little bit more from BT's massive investment in copper for as long they can and use headline grabbing 20Mbps. All the above factors are currently far more important than headline grabbing 20Mbps - and service your receive is still generally set by price you pay - but don't go only on download limits such as '10GB a month' or 'unlimited'. Far better to look for 'no traffic shaping' - look at graphs which should capacity saturation of their networks. Ask them what happens when network saturation occurs. If their network is constantly saturated/running at capacity at peak times- 20Mbps is a distance dream. Expect 2-3Mbps. I
07 Jun 2009 | 16.21 Europe/London
broadbandy says:
Regarding the upto 20Mbps 'hype'- I believe its possible that you could receive an overall better/faster broadband connection from an 'upto' 8Mbps ISP, than an 'upto' 20Mbps as its far more dependant on how each ISP manage their network.
07 Jun 2009 | 17.01 Europe/London
flocker says:
Are they providing ADSL2+ at exchanges hat are not 21CN upgraded. P
09 Jun 2009 | 19.06 Europe/London
Phil says:
http://www.samknows.com/broadband/btwbc-league.php lists exchanges that have WBC = ADSL2+ available. I believe that many of these will have ADSL2+ available well before they go fully 21CN. An exchange near me has had ADSL2+ since February but is scheduled for 21CN in Q3 2011.
16 Jun 2009 | 11.26 Europe/London